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Thursday, February 11th Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Feb 10 2016, 07:04 PM (10,517 Views)
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PALMommy
Feb 11 2016, 11:51 PM
Supergirlx2
Feb 11 2016, 12:57 PM
I'm failing to understand Rafe's not wanting SHAWN (aka Hope's SON) to investigate the fire & see if he can find any indications that could point to Andre having been behind the fire. Is Hope's son not allowed to know that Andre is after his mom?! What would happen if Andre decided to go after Shawn (or Belle or Claire) in order to get to Hope?!
Have BB and KA shared one scene together since his return?
I don't think so? It's been almost a month since he's been back onscreen. Ridiculous.
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granolagirl
Feb 11 2016, 04:10 PM
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Feb 11 2016, 04:06 PM
She was taken advantage of because she's nuts! She wanted it, but her mind is screwed up!
If you rob a bank because you're crazy, it doesn't make the teller the criminal.
:hail: <slow clap> That is a super analogy! :rockon: :cheer: :wub:
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Feb 11 2016, 11:51 PM
Supergirlx2
Feb 11 2016, 12:57 PM
I'm failing to understand Rafe's not wanting SHAWN (aka Hope's SON) to investigate the fire & see if he can find any indications that could point to Andre having been behind the fire. Is Hope's son not allowed to know that Andre is after his mom?! What would happen if Andre decided to go after Shawn (or Belle or Claire) in order to get to Hope?!
Have BB and KA shared one scene together since his return?
No. Not yet. But BB tweeted earlier in the week that a Hope/Shawn scene was coming soon.
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lysie


I wanted to comment about the script writers. Danielle Paige wrote today, and I've really liked her so far. However, idk that any scripts have really stood out to me much since the fall. And that might be a good thing.
When TomSell were still around it was relatively easy to guess who wrote which script. Now, I can't guess. I can't guess who writes the good ones or who writes the bad ones. That's actually a good thing I think. Idk that there have really been any particularly good ones since November, but even as bad as the stories are, it does seem like there might be some more consistency within the team.
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lysie
Feb 12 2016, 12:22 AM
I wanted to comment about the script writers. Danielle Paige wrote today, and I've really liked her so far. However, idk that any scripts have really stood out to me much since the fall. And that might be a good thing.
When TomSell were still around it was relatively easy to guess who wrote which script. Now, I can't guess. I can't guess who writes the good ones or who writes the bad ones. That's actually a good thing I think. Idk that there have really been any particularly good ones since November, but even as bad as the stories are, it does seem like there might be some more consistency within the team.
I would agree.

I really hope they keep Danielle Paige. Her dialogue doesn't ever seem to rely on the same lazy, conventional soap dialogue. I mean, her scripts aren't exceptional but I do feel she tries to put different twists and turns on things and I always feel as though her scripts are more contemporary.

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Today's show had a bad beginning and ending. Why was it necessary to replay the entire Steve/Ava puke fest? It was only the other day not days or weeks since that happened. I doubt anyone needed a refresher on it.

The fire was stupid. Let's all just stand around in this smoke filled room, okay?

John and Marlena were good, but how strange that only now was John telling Marlena about that box and what happened in N.O. It was like the writers said, "Oh shit, we forgot about John and Marlena, we better write something and throw it in somewhere."

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PALMommy
Feb 11 2016, 11:51 PM
Have BB and KA shared one scene together since his return?
Not yet. Just skimmed through the logs...

Only people in his scenes so far have been: Belle, Claire, Philip, Roman, JJ, Rafe, Lani and Fynn, plus Andre lurking and Theo/Eduardo/Gabi/Kate/Deimos in background. Marlena in 1 scene at townhouse, but forget if she was gone by the time Shawn showed up.
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I just finished watching today's episode. . . what did Hope mouth to Andre in the monitor? I couldn't tell what she was saying?
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lysie


Another random comment but I'm waiting for someone, lol. I don't think it's fair to compare Days or daytime soap writing to other television mediums. They're schedules and expectations are just so different. But. Someone mentioned me tweeting about Downton Abbey today. Now...I know some people would disagree, but I'm not really here to debate Downton Abbey. However, for me, it's one of the only shows I've ever watched where nearly every character is at the core, a good person. They do horrible, dreadful things sometimes, but they still seem human to me. This, IMO, is where days screws up big time. They're capable of doing it, but they often don't even try. Currently, Hope and Rafe are the most obvious victims of this. But nearly every hero or heroine has been through it. Hope could have killed Stefano, and heck...there's probably a way they could have covered it up and framed Andre and still not be made to look as despicable as they do. Higley banked on us just loving Hope and not caring if her actions could really be supported. As annoying as it is with the heroes, they regularly do it with villains and then expect us to just forget and move on. If they'd make them real people with moral centers and legit motivations, they could take these characters much farther, IMO.

I've said before that I don't really think there are actions that are out of character. But there are reactions and motivations that can be out of character. "OOC" actions are what drive story. If everyone did everything perfectly all the time and always acted within certain limits, they wouldn't get to do much. I think as long as we see where a character is coming from (and it makes some sense), they ought to be able to do anything and not be destroyed. That's something Dena doesn't get. I hope Griffith does.
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Feb 12 2016, 12:58 AM
Another random comment but I'm waiting for someone, lol. I don't think it's fair to compare Days or daytime soap writing to other television mediums. They're schedules and expectations are just so different. But. Someone mentioned me tweeting about Downton Abbey today. Now...I know some people would disagree, but I'm not really here to debate Downton Abbey. However, for me, it's one of the only shows I've ever watched where nearly every character is at the core, a good person. They do horrible, dreadful things sometimes, but they still seem human to me. This, IMO, is where days screws up big time. They're capable of doing it, but they often don't even try. Currently, Hope and Rafe are the most obvious victims of this. But nearly every hero or heroine has been through it. Hope could have killed Stefano, and heck...there's probably a way they could have covered it up and framed Andre and still not be made to look as despicable as they do. Higley banked on us just loving Hope and not caring if her actions could really be supported. As annoying as it is with the heroes, they regularly do it with villains and then expect us to just forget and move on. If they'd make them real people with moral centers and legit motivations, they could take these characters much farther, IMO.

I've said before that I don't really think there are actions that are out of character. But there are reactions and motivations that can be out of character. "OOC" actions are what drive story. If everyone did everything perfectly all the time and always acted within certain limits, they wouldn't get to do much. I think as long as we see where a character is coming from (and it makes some sense), they ought to be able to do anything and not be destroyed. That's something Dena doesn't get. I hope Griffith does.
This is very well said.

And I agree that something doesn't have to be out of character. For me, if you show me why a character does what they do. Show me the buildup. Give them a reasonable motivation and play the beats of the fallout as it suits that character...then it's fine. It's all about taking the audience on a journey. You have to actually show us and play out how a character goes from point A to point F. Soaps air 5 days a week, all year round. That gives them the luxury of more time to focus on character development so there is really no excuse for not playing the beats and showing us the true scope of a character's journey. Even if they want to operate under a quicker pace, they can still do it effectively. Dena just sucks at it.
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PALMommy
Feb 12 2016, 12:47 AM
I just finished watching today's episode. . . what did Hope mouth to Andre in the monitor? I couldn't tell what she was saying?
"You sick, twisted person".
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concerned
Feb 11 2016, 09:45 PM
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Feb 11 2016, 09:34 PM
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Feb 11 2016, 09:28 PM
" C'mon baby we're not going to make it together if we hold out on one another"
Sort of randomly connected, but Ava's reactions to some of the things Steve has done, have made me think more than once of Jack, after Kayla slapped him, I think. "I liked it, I really liked it!"
" i know this is bad... I can't deny that but we're going to find a way to get through it."
I don't see how we're going to get through it. I haven't since it happened".
" That's because you've been trying to do it by yourself".


I really hope they go down the mirror path with Kayla and Steve handling this where Kayla recognises Steve's pain, and his sacrifice, not the adultery path and dishonesty path.

I hope she remembers how long she had to hold that information in before she was willing to share it.


The way they've set it up, I think they really have to play out both tracks now.
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The best part about this episode was the music when the fire started. :lol:
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No cuts really mentioned in the recap but I don't think John told Marlena he'd think about it after she said didn't want him to go get the bad guys. They discussed it but I don't think that was said.
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granolagirl
Feb 12 2016, 02:38 AM
concerned
Feb 11 2016, 09:45 PM
granolagirl
Feb 11 2016, 09:34 PM

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" i know this is bad... I can't deny that but we're going to find a way to get through it."
I don't see how we're going to get through it. I haven't since it happened".
" That's because you've been trying to do it by yourself".


I really hope they go down the mirror path with Kayla and Steve handling this where Kayla recognises Steve's pain, and his sacrifice, not the adultery path and dishonesty path.

I hope she remembers how long she had to hold that information in before she was willing to share it.


The way they've set it up, I think they really have to play out both tracks now.
I agree. I still think Kayla's going to find out in the worst way possible, so her initial reaction is going to be based on that (as well as on the fact that Steve lied). But in a way I think that's the set-up for Steve having no choice but to open up and tell Kayla what really happened. And then I think the other side of this gets played.
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